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killer4571 · Feb 16, 2009, 07:06 PM // 19:06

any one know which way would be better for doing this ? aim is pvp(mainly) proberly with a spear

payne · Feb 16, 2009, 07:38 PM // 19:38

ranger every time...

just as r/p stays as part of the classic meta in HeroBattles - ergo it must be better otherwise people would be using the combo the other way around...and stance expertise is fantastic as this build will not be using leadership to any particular use - so ranger gains the advantage of primary attribute

hope that helps...

and r/p with pet can inflict, poison, burning, bleed, cripple and whatever else you stipulated as a condition....and r/p synergise nicely with pretty much all teambuilds

Omgopolis · Feb 16, 2009, 09:20 PM // 21:20

The paragon part isn't too necessary at all really. Right now a burning arrow ranger with flail is pretty common, but it usually doesn't do poison. You could drop the standard read the wind for apply poison though.

For pvp I wouldn't bother with pets, and the spear ranger thing isn't too great because you miss out on dshot. The R/P hero battle thing is hardly something I'd look to for pvp inspiration, unless you're just planning on doing hero battles when you say "pvp." And then you're probably including FA, JQ, AB, and RA in your definition of pvp. If that's the case, you can get by running whatever you feel like.

pingu666 · Feb 17, 2009, 05:43 AM // 05:43

/p gives u access to deep wound tho, which is nice

killer4571 · Feb 17, 2009, 09:57 AM // 09:57

k point taken il try some outher class combo

MasterSasori · Feb 17, 2009, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by killer4571

k point taken il try some outher class combo

It's not like P/R are bad, its just R/P is probably more effective in PvP (I'm assuming RA, AB, JQ, FA).

My biggest issue with R/P is that it really misses out on Dshot, which is the most ridiculous skill ever.

What elite are you using?

Lyynyyrd · Feb 17, 2009, 08:00 PM // 20:00

http://www.pvxwiki.com/wiki/Build:R/...e_Spear_Ranger

GO

Wubbies · Feb 17, 2009, 09:00 PM // 21:00

i run a p/r in ab all the time.. but u have to think outside the box as far as the skills go..um no i dont use a pet either.. i mena think about it.. poison->bleeding->burning->deep wound and M.Resistance says hi

( think outside the box )

Be someone special and do p/r imo r/p like a belly button.. everyone has one.

killer4571 · Feb 18, 2009, 10:48 AM // 10:48

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Originally Posted by MasterSasori

It's not like P/R are bad, its just R/P is probably more effective in PvP (I'm assuming RA, AB, JQ, FA).

My biggest issue with R/P is that it really misses out on Dshot, which is the most ridiculous skill ever.

What elite are you using?

i wasnt useing an elite this is the build i was useing

spear mastery 10 + 1
motivation 9
wilderness survival 11

spear of lightning
barbed spear
blazeing spear
disupting throw
apply poison
ballard of restoration
troll ungent
rez signet

Daenara · Feb 18, 2009, 11:09 AM // 11:09

Expertise > Leadership, especially in arenas. Leadership is amazing when you're in an 8 player group, but if you're just starting off casual pvp, expertise is the way to go. Firstly I would check out the build that Lyynyyrd posted, it is meta for a reason. There are variants using [enraged lunge] or [strike as one], but I suggest you start with that basis.

killer4571 · Feb 18, 2009, 02:41 PM // 14:41

i thought bringing pets along in pvp was a bad thing to do

MasterSasori · Feb 18, 2009, 10:02 PM // 22:02

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Originally Posted by killer4571

i thought bringing pets along in pvp was a bad thing to do

It's probably personal preference. I really haven't seen a good pet build that I personally would want to run over a petless one.

Anwyn · Feb 19, 2009, 07:29 AM // 07:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by killer4571

i thought bringing pets along in pvp was a bad thing to do

I used to play an [enraged lunge] pet build in RA for fun... I can't tell you how effective it actually is... I'd have ele's B surge me just to get owned by my pet, Players see a pet and immediately LOL and think i'm some PVE newbie showing off my new pet, they never expect the pet to hit them with 120+damage shots... Also, you can block nicely with WD, LR and your pet can attack unnoticed for quiet a while...

So yeah, pets may not be the meta, but they make for a rather fun and interesting surprise! Try it sometime and see what I mean...

Ben-A-BoO · Feb 19, 2009, 08:13 AM // 08:13

As many have suggested go R/P (expertise & e-regen, stances, armor).

A side note to your build and degen pressure:
Health Degeneration is capped at -10 pips.

- Poison (-4) and Bleeding (-3) are -7 pips (-14 dps)
- Burning (-7) and Bleeding (-3) are -10 pips (-20 dps)

Stacking all three of them isn't incredibly useful since you hit the degen cap. I advice to look at non-degen conditions as covers and additional benefit like Cripple ([[maiming spear]), Deep Wound ([[Merciless Spear]) or Weakness ([[Anthem of Weariness]).

I find a R/W Flail-Turret or Melandru's Ranger far more effective then any R/P in terms of damage and applying conditions. The R/P shines though in terms of self defense and solo capabilities. Don't bring R/P Builds in organized teams, that are not HB.